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> WT在1.51里 90炮的M82比T33穿深更高

你再說3小

M26 的90砲

M82 165MM
T33 189MM

>>No.9047

另外轉正系統不分國家、只看彈種

APDS 不管是德國美國蘇聯轉正能力都完全一樣(自己拿三角函數去算)
就算是APBC APCBC AP APCR HESH HEAT HEATFS 全部都是如此
頂多就是去吵特定彈種分類不對or彈種類型的轉正性能不對。

XF5U

其實玩試驗機完全可以走UFO路線的

YB-35、YB-49什麼的從正面看來真的很帥氣

槍多才是正義!

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實戰中，1架伊爾-2攻擊機可以在機身兩側的彈艙內共攜帶4個子母彈彈箱，每個靠近機身的彈藥箱內裝載72枚PTAB，外側的彈藥箱裝載68枚炸彈.這樣，每架伊爾-2的載彈量就達到了恐怖的280枚。發動攻擊時，飛機在低空快速掠過，投出的彈藥箱在空中將幾百枚PTAB如漫天花雨般散落在敵軍的頭上，實在是不折不扣的金屬風暴。除了用於攻擊包括坦克在內的各種車輛外，蘇聯飛行員們還發現PTAB在攻擊彈藥堆積點、燃料及其他各種目標時均有良好效果，這進一步拓寬了這種武器的適用範圍。

樓上IL2已經夠OP了，裝那東西陸戰就別玩了= =
來來來，正統美軍實驗機XP67 MOONBAT，6管M4毀天地，重點是外型夠煞氣~

噴射大艇戰鬥機
Saunders-Roe SR./A.1

>>No.8969
既然B-57 Canberra 那我也可以吧? 附圖是Convair F2Y Sea Dart 1953首飛 1957就退役了

有些東西之所以不見天日沒被採用是有理由的

像開版貼的XFM/YFM是根據美國陸航1934年"多目的戰鬥機"概念提出的方案
到37年9月終於首飛 引擎要是正常工作的話在兩萬呎還有434km/h 但多數時候引擎不正常
另外當時軍方對此機最大的疑問就是 這東西的運動性 爬升 加速 跟它預定要攔的轟炸機其實是同一個等級....(=_=|||)
試作到39年的時候被認為已經連當時新推出的轟炸機都攔不到 失去意義下專案結束
簡單的說 就跟Bf110類似 屬於雙發多功能驅逐機的構想 在之後的戰爭已經被證明這種思想走錯了
科技和指標性能都先進得多 並集合資源和精英運用的Bf110都那麼慘 這東西的下場只會更慘

>XP-56
由於變更發動機的關係 造成開發嚴重延遲不說
試飛開始後發現安定性 操縱性 失速特性都存在致命性的缺陷
性能也遠遠低於當初的預估
雖然設置垂尾改正 各種飛行特性的問題還是被認為是先天構型所引起 基本無解
在44年5月被認為沒有實用化價值而被終止計畫

>XF5U
所有呈現出來有趣特性和驚奇的性能其實都是遙控驗證模型和V-173飛出來的
實際造出來的XF5U因為等不到預定的螺旋槳 始終只有在跑道上滑來滑去打發餘生
而NACA作的流體實驗也證明它的允許攻角限雖然還是大過當時所有的常規戰機 但只有V-173的一半
經過計算 運動性對當時如野馬或海盜等常規傑作機不具優勢
還有俯衝投彈或掛載火箭時會打到自己螺旋槳等明顯的實用性問題
最後雖然在戰後等到預定的螺旋槳 但還是在跑道來回滑給記者留下紀錄影像後就拆除報廢了
...它預定的高性能沒有得到驗證 即使飛得出來 跟當時XP-72 P-51H等終極螺旋槳相比也無優勢 更別提混動機和噴射機
一登場就注定落伍 只有所需起降跑道極短這點對某些只有後甲板的艦艇有吸引力
但這點需求後來也被逐漸成熟的直升機取代 被廢案也是必然的

>XP-67
概念足夠先進但實際上過於前衛
因為軍方多次變更設計要求 加上風洞實驗結果欠佳
審查拖了太多時間 導致開始測驗時就失去了時效先進性
而過份前衛的空力設計導致了許多預期外的問題 優點不如預期而缺點大於預期
速度 加速 爬升 運動性 幾乎在所有的項目都被評為不良
而且發動機始終在過熱 甚至自焚毀了原型機
某些文章將所有過錯都推給發動機 其實機體設計本身要負很大責任

>Convair F2Y Sea Dart
概念很酷而且性能其實還可以
不過即使把進氣口改到那個位置 發動機吃水的問題還是時有發生
機體下雖有滑撬但水上滑行時的顛簸問題還是很嚴重 震動對機體各部造成了不同程度的耗損
最後因為後勤整補和實際運用存在諸多疑問 還是被終止計畫

>>No.9003
> 它們還是F2A-1 並不會在海軍的登錄序號上就變成F2A-2
> 但F2A-1帶四挺槍的時候一樣印著"US NAVY"在身上 甚至按照F2A-2標準升級後也帶著這標記和原來的編號

你是跟我說升級為F2A-2 之後他尾巴還是會印F2A-1?

F2A-1 Convert 成 F2A-2 卻還要叫他F2A-1喔? 好吧我們就按照你的邏輯
P-38H Convert 了一部分成了F-5C 、但是按照你的邏輯F-5C還是要叫他P-38H對吧! 因為還是要用原來的編號!
P-38L Convert 了一部分成了P-38M、不過我們也把兩台都叫P-38L! 因為原來的編號一致!
噴火光改個翅膀就會改成a b c e 型、所以全部都要記得出場的翅膀是什麼然後只用原來翅膀來叫每一台機體對吧

Convert 了還用原來的型號下去叫、不整個精神錯亂嗎你?
> 因為要滿足只帶兩槍的歷史事實 所以它把F2A-1分類到了"Trainer"

Trainer 又是啥鬼東西?
假如你其實是再講Reserve 的話那我只有看到三台P-26

> 但排在正式軍機開發線下的機種還是應該要有個比較普遍的採樣標準

取哪個都有意見啦
今天就算是拿4槍我也看不出哪裡比2槍有多出什麼正當性
結論就是可以拿你的論點說四槍版本也是out

> 要用教練機解釋它就去金幣區享受低分房和收益優勢

請你認真解釋一下遊戲中什麼叫做教練機
我只看到兩台都被歸類為Naval Fighter
經驗上 BR1.3 也絕對不會如你所講的有分房保護

不是很愛貼嗎？
不是很會講
>Source is source. 資料無誤即可引用
嗎?
During 1940, the Navy decided to install the optional 0.50 cal guns in the wings of its F2A-1s, and immediately started to encounter landing gear failures because of the additional weight. Later that year, VF-3 traded in its F2A-1s for more powerful F2A-2s, and the F2A-1s were returned to Brewster for modifications. Eight of them were remanufactured to F2A-2 standards, and were reissued to VS-201 for service aboard the escort carrier USS Long Island. By mid-1941, only one of these was left (BuAer 1393), and it remained with a training squadron until 1944.

這段在講什麼?
to F2A-2 standards叫做變成F2A-2?

Serials of the Brewster F2A-1:

1386/1396 Brewster F2A-1

海軍怎麼不在接收改裝後刷掉它們的序號啊?
布魯斯特怎麼不把它們的存在抹掉而把生產機數算到F2A-2上啊?
自己對當時狀況理解差在這邊惱羞高喊[都給你們玩就好]喔?
你哪次討論不開這個大絕的? 還要喊幾次啊?

無名氏: 按照後續型號升級並不會改變飛機出廠的登錄序號 我上面貼的圖片你有看嗎？ (fPy7cuXo 15/10/10 22:25)
無名氏: 是的 即使升級成後面的規格也只是把戰機的能力拉到符合時代而已 不會改變機號 (fPy7cuXo 15/10/10 22:26)
無名氏: F-5C雖然由P-38H發展而來 但出廠時就作為F-5C生產 若有從P-38H改裝而來 (fPy7cuXo 15/10/10 22:31)
無名氏: 由於用途 軍方還是會把它登錄為F-5C 你舉P-38L變夜戰M型的例子也一樣 不存在混淆 (fPy7cuXo 15/10/10 22:32)
無名氏: 但P-51D-5根據後期生產指標提高配備 並不因此改變用途 生產時序也沒被變更 所以還是D-5 (fPy7cuXo 15/10/10 22:33)

很好所以你界定是一定要出場後?
例外也太容易找

The first P-38E rolled out of the factory in October 1941 as the Battle of Moscow filled the news wires of the world. Because of the versatility, redundant engines, and especially high speed and high altitude characteristics of the aircraft, as with later variants over a hundred P-38Es were completed in the factory or converted in the field to a photoreconnaissance variant, the F-4, in which the guns were replaced by four cameras. Most of these early reconnaissance Lightnings were retained stateside for training, but the F-4 was the first Lightning to be used in action in April 1942.

為什麼全部都叫F-4呢?

In September 1944, four P-47D-27-RE airframes (s/n 42-27385 / 42-27388) were modified into prototype YP-47Ms by fitting the R-2800-57(C) engine and the GE CH-5 turbo-supercharger, a combination which could produce 2,800 hp (2,089 kW) at 32,500 ft (9,900 m) when using Wartime Emergency Power (water injection).

The second YP-47M (of the batch of four converted P-47Ds) was later fitted with new wings and served as the prototype for the P-47N.

為什麼要這裡要說是YP-47M呢?


其實我覺得跟你討論這一個"convert" 的定義很無聊
因為source 寫得很清楚

http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/weapons_F2A_buffalo.html
F2A-1
The remainder of the F2A-1s were diverted to Finland to help them in the Winter War against Russia. However, they did not arrive in time to take part in that war. Instead, they were used by the Finns when they allied with the Germans. The F2A-1s in U.S. service were phased out in October 1940

我不知道你看不看得懂"phased out in October 1940"是什麼意思

http://www.warbirdforum.com/buffaloconstnumbers.pdf

2 Completed with c/n 2
Delivered to US Navy as F2A-1 probably with serial BuA 1387; delivered on 6 October
1939
Ref: 45
Operated by VF-3 as 3-F-1 Ref: 1
Operated by VS-201 Ref: 1
Converted to F2A-2 on 17 November 1940 Ref: 16
W/o 20 February 1943 or 28 March 1943 at NAS Miami, FL Ref: 2, 16

我不知道你看不看得懂"Converted to" 是什麼意思

http://www.warbirdforum.com/f2a1.htm

BuNo: 1388 Accept Date: 07/31/39 Strike Date: 06/28/44

08/29/39 NAS Anacostia
08/31/39 INA Brewster
11/28/39 BatFor San Diego
12/11/39 VF-3 SARATOGA
11/28/39 BatFor San Diego
12/11/39 VF-3 SARATOGA
11/07/40 BatFor San Diego
11/08/40 NAS Anacostia
11/17/40 INA Brewster [conversion to F2A-2]
08/04/41 NAF Philadelphia [conv to XF2A-4]
09/26/41 NAS Norfolk
04/27/44 NAM Philadelphia

同上: "Conversion"

再說一次、Serial number 理所當然不會變
但是當你是"convert" 到某一型、他就是新的

不用找太遠、M1坦克系列一大堆M1 改成M1A2

M1A2 (Baseline): Production began in 1992 (77 built for the US and more than 600 M1s upgraded to M1A2, 315 for Saudi Arabia, 218 for Kuwait).

所以美國只有77台 M1A2 其他那600+台依然叫普通M1

>>No.9009

大爆笑
序號跟型號完全混在一起。

United States – United States Army and United States Marine Corps have received over 8,100 M1, M1A1 and M1A2 tanks combined.[121][122]
U.S. Army
1,174 M1A2 and M1A2SEP variants
4,393 M1A1 variants
U.S. Marine Corps
403 M1A1


M1A2 (Baseline): Production began in 1992 (77 built for the US and more than 600 M1s upgraded to M1A2, 315 for Saudi Arabia, 218 for Kuwait). The M1A2 offers the tank commander an independent thermal sight and ability to, in rapid sequence, shoot at two targets without the need to acquire each one sequentially, also 2nd generation depleted uranium armor components.[94]

M1A2SEP (System Enhancement Package): Has upgraded third-generation depleted uranium armor components with graphite coating (240 new built, 300 M1A2s upgraded to M1A2SEP for the USA, also unknown numbers of upgraded basic M1s and M1IPs, also 400 oldest M1A1s upgraded to M1A2SEP).

照你們的標準升級版的不能被稱為M1A2系列
請告訴我只有造了77台M1A2, 240 M1A2SEP 卻升級了剩下的600+台是怎麼產生1000多台M1A2系列的?


胡扯得太凶無法自圓其說接下來只好隨便扭曲

升級到新的型號就是新的型號了。序號當然為了完整的歷史會保留起來。但是序號保留了不代表型號不可變OK?

>>No.9011

http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/weapons_F2A_buffalo.html
The F2A-1s in U.S. service were phased out in October 1940

1940 年10月之後沒有F2A-1了。
1942 年改為F2A-2的F2A-1 依然在飛
End of Story

別再扯什麼型號了。

In October 1940, the Saratoga's air group participated in the Barclay camouflage experiments, and then started replacing their F2A-1s with F2A-2s. The older planes were returned to Brewster where eight were remanufactured to -2 standards and later reissued to VS-201, flying off the USS Long Island. By mid-1941, only a single example of the F2A-1 remained and it soldiered on until 1944 in a training squadron.

我知道這一架刺到你的眼
但海軍就是這麼認定的

BuNo: 1386 Accept Date: 10/06/39 Strike Date: 12/03/43

07/06/39 NAS Anacostia
08/24/39 INA Brewster
10/16/39 NAS Anacostia
10/25/39 NAF Philadelphia
11/01/39 NAS Anacostia
11/04/39 INA Brewster
11/09/39 NAS Anacostia
12/05/39 OPER Norfolk
01/09/41 INA Brewster [conversion to -2]
06/29/41 VS-201 Norfolk
06/21/42 NAS Miami

11/27/40 accident at Norfolk. Left landing gear leg buckled, bent prop, minor damage; photo circa 7-42 as aircraft "19", training unit NAS Miami

BuNo: 1387 Accept Date: unk Strike Date: ? 03/31/43

05/18/39 INA World's Fair, NYC
12/28/39 NAS Anacostia [engine change]
01/08/40 BatFor San Diego
01/29/40 VF-3 SARATOGA
11/06/40 BatFor San Diego
11/07/40 NAS Anacostia
11/17/40 INA Brewster [conversion to F2A-2]
06/29/41 VS-201 Norfolk
10/26/41 NAS Miami

02/20/43: During take-off hit trees at low altitude Crashed and burned 3mi.SE,of Nas Miami.1/killed

BuNo: 1388 Accept Date: 07/31/39 Strike Date: 06/28/44

08/29/39 NAS Anacostia
08/31/39 INA Brewster
11/28/39 BatFor San Diego
12/11/39 VF-3 SARATOGA
11/28/39 BatFor San Diego
12/11/39 VF-3 SARATOGA
11/07/40 BatFor San Diego
11/08/40 NAS Anacostia
11/17/40 INA Brewster [conversion to F2A-2]
08/04/41 NAF Philadelphia [conv to XF2A-4]
09/26/41 NAS Norfolk
04/27/44 NAM Philadelphia

BuNo: 1389 Accept Date: 11/28/39 Strike Date: 10/31/44

12/08/39 BatFor San Diego
12/11/39 VF-3 SARATOGA
10/31/40 BatFor San Diego
11/01/40 NAS Anacostia
11/05/40 INA Brewster [conversion to F2A-2]
06/25/41 VS-201 Norfolk
10/27/41 NAS Miami
06/25/41 VS-201 Norfolk
10/27/41 NAS Miami
04/01/42 BatFor San Diego
06/28/42 NAS Miami
01/08/43 NAS Jacksonville
07/08/43 NAOT Miami
10/31/44 GNATT Glenview

BuNo: 1390 Accept Date: 11/28/39 Strike Date: 09/23/40

12/08/39 BatFor San Diego
12/08/39 VF-3 SARATOGA

09/23/40: aircraft crashed into ocean eight miles from Dana Point, CA; total loss, 322.5 hours flight time

BuNo: 1391 Accept Date: 12/04/39 Strike Date: 10/31/44

12/11/39 BatFor San Diego
12/11/39 VF-3 SARATOGA
11/07/40 BatFor San Diego
11/08/40 NAS Anacostia
11/07/40 BatFor San Diego
11/08/40 NAS Anacostia
11/17/40 INA Brewster [conversion to F2A-2]
06/25/41 VS-201 Norfolk
11/02/41 NAS Miami
04/21/42 NAS Jacksonville
11/06/43 NATTC Jacksonville

BuNo: 1392 Accept Date: 12/04/39 Strike Date: 05/21/43

12/04/39 BatFor San Diego
12/18/39 VF-3 SARATOGA
10/30/40 BatFor San Diego
10/31/40 NAS Anacostia
11/05/40 INA Brewster [conversion to F2A-2]
06/11/41 VS-201 Norfolk
11/10/41 NAS Miami
12/15/42 NATT Jacksonville
11/10/41 NAS Miami
12/15/42 NATT Jacksonville

BuNo: 1393 Accept Date: 12/04/39 Strike Date: 05/09/44

12/11/39 BatFor San Diego
12/18/39 VF-3 SARATOGA
03/14/40 BatFor San Diego
03/28/40 VF-3 SARATOGA
08/22/40 BatFor San Diego
05/16/41 NAS Norfolk
08/22/42 NAS Miami
04/11/44 ? Norman OK

crashed 08/22/40, major overhaul to 04/15/41; at aircraft armament unit to 11/08/41; crash at Jacksonville 05/07/43

BuNo: 1394 Accept Date: 12/11/39 Strike Date: 04/09/42

12/16/39 BatFor San Diego
12/18/39 VF-3 SARATOGA
10/30/40 BatFor San Diego
10/31/40 NAS Anacostia
10/30/40 BatFor San Diego
10/31/40 NAS Anacostia
11/05/40 INA Brewster [conversion to F2A-2]
06/11/41 VS-201 Norfolk
11/10/41 NAS Miami
03/04/42 ? Norfolk

01/29/40, crashed on SARATOGA, belly, landing gear damaged
28 feb 42; Low altitude aerobatics, crashed 10mi SW NAS Miami
aircraft crashed 03/04/42 and destroyed, 628 flying hours

BuNo: 1395 Accept Date: 12/11/39 Strike Date: 04/09/42

12/11/39 BatFor San Diego
12/18/39 VF-3 SARATOGA
11/06/40 BatFor San Diego
11/07/40 NAS Anacostia
11/17/40 INA Brewster [conversion to F2A-2]
06/29/41 VS-201 Norfolk
11/10/41 NAS Miami
06/29/41 VS-201 Norfolk
11/10/41 NAS Miami

02/23/40, bent prop, no damage to engine
9 Feb 42 Stalled at 100' 5mi west of Davis FL
02/18/42, crashed beyond repair, 552 flying hours

BuNo: 1396 Accept Date: 12/11/39 Strike Date: none given

12/16/39 BatFor San Diego
12/18/39 VF-3 SARATOGA
10/31/40 BatFor San Diego
11/01/40 NAS Anacostia
11/05/40 INA Brewster [conversion to F2A-2]
06/29/41 VS-201 Norfolk
-no date- NAS New York
11/15/41 NAS Miami
05/08/42 NAS Jacksonville
06/09/43 NAS Miami

Fkers don't read.

Lets don't read part 2

http://www.warbirdforum.com/buffaloconstnumbers.pdf

-
Completed without a construction number
Delivered to US Navy as XF2A-1, serial BuA 0451; delivery date not known
Converted to XF2A-2 Ref: 2

Fate not known

1 Completed with c/n 1
Delivered to US Navy as F2A-1 probably with serial BuA 1386; delivered on 6 October
1939
Ref: 16
Operated by VS-201 Ref: 1
Converted to F2A-2 on 9 January 1941 Ref: 16
W/o 27 November 1940 at NAS Norfolk, VA Ref: 45

2 Completed with c/n 2
Delivered to US Navy as F2A-1 probably with serial BuA 1387; delivered on 6 October
1939
Ref: 45
Operated by VF-3 as 3-F-1 Ref: 1
Operated by VS-201 Ref: 1
Converted to F2A-2 on 17 November 1940 Ref: 16
W/o 20 February 1943 or 28 March 1943 at NAS Miami, FL Ref: 2, 16

3 Completed with c/n 3
Delivered to US Navy as F2A-1 probably with serial BuA 1388; delivered on 31 Jul
1939
Ref: 16
Operated by VF-3 as 3-F-18 Ref: 1, 45
Operated by VS-201 Ref: 1, 45
Converted to F2A-2 on 17 November 1940 Ref: 16
Converted to XF2A-4 on 4 August 1941 Ref: 16
Wfu 28 June 1944 Ref: 16

4 Completed with c/n 4
Delivered to US Navy as F2A-1 probably with serial BuA 1389; delivered on 28
November 1939
Ref: 16
Operated by VF-3 as 3-F-17 Ref: 45
Converted to F2A-2 on 5 November 1940 Ref: 16
Wfu 31 October 1944 Ref: 16

5 Completed with c/n 5
Delivered to US Navy as F2A-1 probably with serial BuA 1390; delivered on 28
November 1939
Ref: 16
Operated by VF-3 as 3-F-16 Ref: 1, 45
W/o 23 September 1940 at Dana Point, CA Ref: 2

6 Completed with c/n 6
Delivered to US Navy as F2A-1 probably with serial BuA 1391; delivered on 4
December 1939
Ref: 16
Operated by VF-3 as 3-F-14 Ref: 1, 45
Operated by VS-201 Ref: 1, 45
Converted to F2A-2 on 17 November 1940 Ref: 16
Wfu 31 October 1944 Ref: 16

7 Completed with c/n 7
Delivered to US Navy as F2A-1 probably with serial BuA 1392; delivered on 4
December 1939
Ref: 16
Operated by VF-3 as 3-F-14 Ref: 1, 45
Operated by VS-201 Ref: 1, 45
Converted to F2A-2 on 5 November 1940 Ref: 16
W/o 21 May 1943 at Jacksonville NAS, FL Ref: 2

8 Completed with c/n 8
Delivered to US Navy as F2A-1 probably with serial BuA 1393; delivered on 4
December 1939
Ref: 16
Operated by VF-3 as 3-F-13 Ref: 1, 45
Crashed 22 August 1940 but repaired Ref: 16
Converted to F2A-2 Ref: 45
W/o 7 May 1943 at Jacksonville NAS, FL Ref: 16

9 Completed with c/n 9
Delivered to US Navy as F2A-1 probably with serial BuA 1394; delivered on 11
December 1939
Ref: 16
Operated by VF-3 as 3-F-12 Ref: 1, 45
Operated by VS-201 Ref: 1, 45
Converted to F2A-2 on 5 November 1940 Ref: 16
W/o 28 February 1942 and 4 March 1942 at Miami NAS, FL Ref: 2, 16, 45

10 Completed with c/n 10
Delivered to US Navy as F2A-1 probably with serial BuA 1395; delivered on 11
December 1939
Ref: 16
Operated by VF-3 as 3-F-11 Ref: 1, 45
Operated by VS-201 Ref: 1, 45
Converted to F2A-2 on 17 November 1940 Ref: 16
W/o 18 February 1942 at Davis, FL Ref: 2, 16, 45

11 Completed with c/n 11
Delivered to US Navy as F2A-1 probably with serial BuA 1396; delivered on 11
December 1939
Ref: 16
Operated by VF-3 as 3-F-10 Ref: 1, 45
Operated by VS-201 Ref: 1, 45
Converted to F2A-2 on 5 November 1940 Ref: 16
Fate not known
Yes 3-F-13 was converted.

>同樣我也樂於在日本線的金幣區看到減裝教練版的A6M2 甚至是A6M2-K (飛行員可以死兩次？XD)
在全真模式下
前座死了就要強制用後座視點操作....那個視野....我還是跳機好了=_=

雖然我覺得多了或少了這幾個月
或多幾台少幾台四槍F2A-1
也不會損及F2A-1裝兩槍OK的論點
Eight F2A-1s were also rebuilt to F2A-2 standards. Initially serving with VF-3 and USS Lexington's VF-2
八架F2A-1以F2A-2標準重造
進入沙拉托加的VF-3和列克星頓的VF-2服役
Lexington leaving San Diego, California, 14 Oct 1941, with F2A-1 fighters parked forward, SBD scout-bombers amidships, and TBD-1 torpedo bombers
海軍的紀錄照片這麼說明艦載機的搭載內容
列克星頓上的VF-2根本不是原本操作F2A-1的單位
為什麼41年初開始受領F2A-2的該部對會有F2A-1?
要嘛是誤植
要嘛就是已領到的F2A-2中有F2A-1改裝而來而依然登錄為F2A-1的機體存在
兩種可能性都是有的
當年布魯斯特的管理有很大問題
出廠的紀錄跟軍方對不上也不算稀奇
>你是跟我說升級為F2A-2 之後他尾巴還是會印F2A-1?
不要以為這種事情不會發生
你一定沒看過帶K-14瞄具的P-51D-10 (部隊紀錄和機身漆的編號都還是D-10)
機身特徵完全是D-20但機身側邊印著P-51K-15
或帶著K型專屬達拉斯艙蓋和AP槳的D-20
帶後期特徵的D-5上面有人貼了
至於德機後期那種出廠型號與機體特徵對不上號的照片多到數不清了
完全是G-14特徵的後期G-6
部分G-14部分K-4的G-10
拆得像G-10的K-4
工廠說是G-14而部隊說是G-10
各種例子眼花撩亂 族繁不及備載
如果沒有從序號去追 你都不知道你眼前的是哪一型

要用M1A2這種領域和時期不同的例子去逆證 以今非古
只顯示你對當時狀況看得不夠
說別人錯亂之前最好先多看看當時的狀況

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開MK IX 或 LF 都會莫名其妙的斷翼... 明明才520km/h，滑鼠都拉很慢啊淦...
但有時候後在600km/h 也能作機動，這就是嘔心的地方
害得我在490-500 這段期限已經要把手腕鎖緊了
A6M3在高速下機動極限還要比噴九寛鬆的感覺

噴九開到500就冒冷汗
A6M3 開到500 還在神機動 （盟軍吃我的屎吧

還要另外修改_n
選擇R色板微微調亮
切回RGB會發現橘色部分越來越多
然後存檔修改.blk就解決了
要注意R色板如果亮度調太高會反光
整台車就像打蠟一樣

對不起我不求甚解Orz
紫電還是要打f-80,我還是洗洗睡了吧....

流星F3這個比F-80還弱的東西
憑什麼BR8.0

頂級活塞都應付得來的東西
為啥要去陪比斯大爺玩耍啊

提到哈哈
剛想想到那邊有人貼這邊的資料過去
內容有一篇似乎提到
野馬h型的2270馬力其實是開注水加力下去才有的
而且限時7分鐘
平時只有1300-1400馬力
那野馬早期型號1490＆1720等等比h型還要高的馬力
是一般出力還是開web下去後得出力？

P-51真的有這麼強？？

http://sidalin.blog.hexun.com.tw/102295677_d.html

yak的機動性很強沒錯，但火力有夠單薄
除了yak3和晚期的噴yak外大都一支炮一支小槍, snap shot之類一瞬的機會根本沒可能中,比零式更依賴完全咬尾,史實真的是這樣嗎?

給你幾點建議

1.美系機大多只能玩bz 這表示你一定要爬得比別人高
當然你的敵人永遠比你爬得快
所以先向場邊爬(即是側爬)到5000米再轉入戰場
最好看到敵人前就在6000米巡航
要是敵人比你高,你會打得很辛苦,日系跟本是設計來屌打美系
該金認為美系一定要比其他系爬得慢,否則太OP,所以F8F爬升砍到渣了

2.別做多餘動作
大部分空戰動作(如low/high yoyo,barrel roll, Scissors)放到大部分美系身上,絕大部分時候,只是消能量的動作
你只能做BZ動作
在B時,要是敵人在你開火前已經逃出你的10點/2點方向,千萬別繼續指向
你要是繼續指過下,能殺到他還好
要是殺不到,很多時候你會發現,你抽頭時他已經比你快了
******確保你在進攻之後能量還是比人高(最好是高度和速度皆有)******
該金認為美系做動作的時候一定是比其他系燒更多能量,否則太op,所以F8F格鬥性能被砍了,而F8F高速性能也砍了不太適合BZ

3.要是你用P-51D或F8F,注意你的引擎狀況
P-51D和F8F比其他系的優勢就是極速
以上優勢不適用於190,F8F則對著所有同級德系和J7沒有極速優勢(近來感覺ki-84比F8F衝得更快)
要是敵人迴避你攻擊後咬著你尾並比你快 別想,放棄高度跑走
該金認為P-51D和F8F的極速太op了(雖然F8F被砍前不是主要以極速來最得優勢),所以把他們的散熱能力給砍了(F8F-1B的話連WEP也不能開)
引擎於最高功率下運作的時間因此減短,否則別人根本追不上
在沒看到敵人前保持水溫,油溫,引擎溫度正常,最好是接戰後還能保持最高功率5分鐘

4.找個好基友
要是有台好僚機,以上問題就變得沒那麼嚴重
例如在進攻失敗後逃走,敵人對你窮追不捨(更糟的是他比快)
另一位隊友就能找他麻煩,讓你逃走成功
不置於被追到引擎過熱

想當年190d13歷史入坑，那時面對著滿天噴氣、然後是未砍的格里芬和炮貓，然後是空生的虎貓，也未言放棄
把德系全解鎖後轉飛英、日、蘇，再回頭玩德
正當我以為練得一手好武功，k/d隨便過2時，直到我玩了p51d……我第一次想上討論區怒操蝸牛

btw，之後玩未砍炮貓也玩得很爽，提升了的雙野馬也是場均3人頭
現在正在享受6.7的f80

>>No.8929
https://youtu.be/FQCiBLuLGKw

剛剛打了場p51打算自虐一下，突然就人品大爆發
本來2vs8時已認命去打AI，誰知對面隊掉下親爹光環爬上中高空
然後又各種點火和暈機師
明明我玩f80的m3怎麼打也只有hit，但這m2是怎麼了？！
蝸牛你下太多魔法了！

打開名單一看，十場有七場隊上都只剩我一個

最後乾脆對頭賭運，無法無雙，德蘇日三國都不會出現這情形

我果然還是只能買蘇聯美國機來圓我的小小悲願？

現在P51還不錯玩

不過最大的硬傷就是那該死的引擎過熱

每次打下一架後在那邊等降溫等太久

如果每上又有一架跑來的話WEP時間太短不能發威引擎能力就只能等死

>順便問一下有沒有什麼好一點的存錢法?不然都買不起新機種了

德機拉5躺著賺錢中
(以牙還牙超爽的)

好了來分享一下戰績(雖然不好看
P51D30的分房性能提改善了 我逐步把他的勝率和K/D追回來了
沒改之前勝率30%,K/D慘到死十殺一
現在勝率終於過50%,K/D剛好過0
更重要的是現在打德蘇沒有以前那種強烈的無力感
不過遇上日系就被虐爽了(´･ω･`)

DoraLC兄 你雖說炮貓被砍了(終於有一次在遊戲中看到你了XD)
可是它是我一眾美系裡玩得最好最爽的一台(活塞來說)
槍貓/炮貓被大砍前,我的槍貓勝率有60%,K/D也接近2
大砍後我玩到現在這個樣子了
然後怒然課金把炮貓改滿,才發現M3機炮真他媽的讚
飛行性能(爬升,高速,能量,格鬥,引擎性能綜合來看)在6.3/6.0的戰鬥機中可說是最渣的一台(有錯請指正)
但它的M3機炮絕對是上品,傷害彈速優良,散佈稍差的問題可以用高射速彌補,而且備彈算多,可以放心補射幾發
對我來說它還有一面是其他機炮不能滿足我的,就是炮彈離開炮口後的硝煙,我經常用硝煙來修正彈道
我把M3機炮熟練到能連續跟四台德機對頭,把他們全都對死而自己原好無缺,後來再多吃一台來找碴的109K d(`･∀･)b
不過對上日機如 紫電 震電 疾風的話 我又會被虐爽,他們的飛行性能太超過
我槍法(炮法)再好也彌補不了機體性能的差距,只能撿那些犯錯嚴重的來吃

另一方面6.0場德軍的智商感覺有所下降
明知炮貓低空格鬥總比他們好,都樂於跟我在低空纏綿(羞
更糟的是有一次一台ME262跟流星在低空格鬥後沒有能量,被我B死了
他罵幹說"F8F竟然追上了ME262,WT果然是ally bias的遊戲!!"
這是我玩WT歷史場一年來第一次看到的ally bias (´･ω･`)
雖說德軍戰未噴射機對上盟軍戰後噴射機很不公平(我用F2H把德軍虐太爽了,虐到我不想用...)
可是雙方都沒噴射機的情況下,盟軍的表現也常比德軍好
到我近來買了FW190D13後確認了德軍6.0真的笨蛋比較多
我玩P51D30遇到的那些不可一世的德軍去哪了 (´･ω･`)

>>No.8967
怎麼我家炮貓贏率這麼低orz
這還是大砍前的啊orz
話說我快要打出炮貓全氣動，就被大砍了orz
現在還未打出完全體orz
另外M3炮真的很棒，彈道直威力夠交匯400毀天地

>163和262c從韓國回到柏林，順道帶了女妖流星米格9來陪朵拉
據說當年Dora大隊力戰sabre大隊也能贏
到我入坑的時間也是天天戰f80、流星、女妖等
那時也不怎樣會輸，除了隊裡一堆he162（這應該是重點
話說好懷念當日7~9台Dora/109一起俯衝的日子，但現在進場也沒幾台風扇機了

>我玩P51D30遇到的那些不可一世的德軍去哪了 (´･ω･`)
我沒玩德系半年了￣▽￣

雖然大部分情況下都會變成靶 打坦克小碉堡還沒命中過

沒翻新機槍還超容易卡彈

但是拿著火箭去炸小船倒是滿好玩 一趟射的準可以帶走三艘

歷史場有兩場只剩自己跟對方 無奈一場被機場設施跟系統陰

一場對面剛好噴射 無解

想問一下M這或有沒有什麼需要注意的?雖然前陣子有看過一篇心得M文 但是到現在版本 是否還能適用?